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    FunBoy [sign in to see picture]
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    I have never payed for sex but I don't thinks its desperate to do it or think about it. But I would much rather be with some one I know than some one I don't

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    rich the voyeur [sign in to see picture]
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    Nope, never have (I'm taking it lapdances don't count!), but if this "drought" continues...

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    Cara Sutra [sign in to see picture]
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    Never paid for it but I have received .. um... pocket money.

    ;)

    MC xxx

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    Wizzie86 [sign in to see picture]
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    Did anyone see a tv programme abou sex trafficing this last week. Don't know if it was dispatchers (or something similar). That was a real eye opener as to how bad sex trafficing is getting. It was discussing how stag parties going to Amsterdam & paying for prostitues is increasing the demand. Def worth a watch if you can look it up x

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    I saw that Wizzie. It was heartbreaking. It makes me really angry. I get on my feminist soapbox. I am woman hear me roar and all that. It was so depressing. Just wanted to reach through the screen and rescue those women. Men have a lot to answer for.

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    Yes I have paid for sex as I do not have a girlfriend.I have always said that prostitution should be legalised in brothels and make them and the working girls carry a licence to allow them to trade,like gas fitters have to have a Gas safe registration to work on gas legally.This would take it off the streets where it is unsafe for both the girl and the client,it would keep them safe and they would also have to have health checks done on a regular basis as part of licensing rules,oh and they could also pay tax on their earnings too.

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    RFW 3872 wrote:

    Yes I have paid for sex as I do not have a girlfriend.I have always said that prostitution should be legalised in brothels and make them and the working girls carry a licence to allow them to trade,like gas fitters have to have a Gas safe registration to work on gas legally.This would take it off the streets where it is unsafe for both the girl and the client,it would keep them safe and they would also have to have health checks done on a regular basis as part of licensing rules,oh and they could also pay tax on their earnings too.

    AGREED! Entirely... [applauds]

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    Sorry to bring up and old thread, but thought id put my two-pennies in considering I am writing an essay on the global sex trade and whether or not it is victimising for women at the moment.

    I think in western society, it is a perfectly acceptable industry considering there are (just eough) safeguards for women to do it off their own accord and not be victimised into taking part, although people like belle de jour do tend to give off the wrong opinion about how glamourous the profession is most of the time.

    But when I look at all iof the information on sex trafficking (and its the majority of people that are trafficked, not doing it voluntarilly!) i cant help but think if i had a choice about what prostituion is currently, and not having it at all, id choose not at all.

    If anyone is interested, there is a really good documentary called "The day my god died" which you can find on youtube i believe on sex trafficking.

    But yes, because of a lot of the problems ive been reading about with prostitues/call girls/whatever, who are coerced in all sorts of unrecognizable and unnoticeable ways, I could never pay for sex, and nor would I ever just for fear that Id be fueling a part of the industry that was incredibly harmful to women.

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    Annoying part is that no matter how much you argue that people - or at least some of them - go into it voluntarily, there'll always be someone arguing that they're forced into it by the need for money or lack of other skills or what ever. It's a dumb argument, since the same is true of like 90% of employed people everywhere, but it makes it harder to argue the case.

    Same as most things, if it was regulated and monitored, everyone would be better off, but too many people in power prefer to stick their head in the sand, declare it as "wrong", and hope it'll all go away, leaving others to pay the price.

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    I worked as an Escort for two years. I didn't feel exploited. It was my choice. I wasn't doing it to pay for a habbit or because I was an illegal immigrant.

    The fact the sex industry is kept under wraps, is what creates issues like this.

    Whilst I feel sorry for them woman, the girls I know and am still friends with loves the work they do. Not everyone gets into it and bad things happen to them.

    I used to take the same risks escorting, as I did a one night stand. It was even safer because I had a driver to protect me and alot of rules which clients had to adhere to.

    Yes theres people in the industry that are exploited and this needs to be stopped. The whole sex industry is frowned upon as a whole. Law is enforced and you thus create a multi million pound industry that causes people to get hurt.

    Same with prohibtion. It just didn't work.

    Maybe the laws should consider this, when stamping down on the industry as a whole. Because if it was managed properly, they'd be a lot less for the criminals to exploit.

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    i think prostitution should be legalised, and run as a proper establishment , taxed etc , it will stop alot of sex crimes and things like that , its there choice to do it, if they can deal with the damage it can do emotionly

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    Inara14 wrote:

    Sorry to bring up and old thread, but thought id put my two-pennies in considering I am writing an essay on the global sex trade and whether or not it is victimising for women at the moment.

    I think in western society, it is a perfectly acceptable industry considering there are (just eough) safeguards for women to do it off their own accord and not be victimised into taking part, although people like belle de jour do tend to give off the wrong opinion about how glamourous the profession is most of the time.

    But when I look at all iof the information on sex trafficking (and its the majority of people that are trafficked, not doing it voluntarilly!) i cant help but think if i had a choice about what prostituion is currently, and not having it at all, id choose not at all.

    If anyone is interested, there is a really good documentary called "The day my god died" which you can find on youtube i believe on sex trafficking.

    But yes, because of a lot of the problems ive been reading about with prostitues/call girls/whatever, who are coerced in all sorts of unrecognizable and unnoticeable ways, I could never pay for sex, and nor would I ever just for fear that Id be fueling a part of the industry that was incredibly harmful to women.

    No problems bringing up old posts, there is a lot of wisdom in old posts!

    For me the issue with the sex trade is that it is sleazy, including porn. People are manipulated and taken advantage of but I don't see an inherent wrong to the selling of sex. Given the choice I'd rather have it than not, it has the potential to do much good in a better society. I don't see it very different from farming in some respects!

    You can buy nasty child labour tomatoes or you can buy fair trade. It's only because it's (shock! horror!) sex that the issue is more prominent in my opinion. If you can enforce certain ethical standards on business then things improve and the question dissipates, this applies to everything of a capitalistic nature, child labour laws, fruit, working hours, financial meltdowns etc.. Capitalism is inherently exploitative whatever the commodity, you need very strong checks to moderate it. Unfortunately there is circumstantial sexual slavery, they may be free in theory to leave the industry but not in practice (bills to pay etc), not much different from the 16hr a day tea picker in India.

    Sex does not have to be 'bad' nor will it ever be so, the fact we drive it underground makes it worse (see drugs how the efficaciousness of locking druggies up or actually aiming to solve the problem). Why not make sex like selling fruit or veg in a market? The customer goes there rather than to a sleazy back alley where he/she feels least likely to get caught.

    Is sex trafficking horrendous? Yes. Is it any different from the many other exploitative aspects of our society? Probably not, but it does contain the buzz word sex and all the nastiness and emotional baggage that comes with it.

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    Inara14 [sign in to see picture]
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    WandA wrote:

    Inara14 wrote:

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    No problems bringing up old posts, there is a lot of wisdom in old posts!

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    Sex does not have to be 'bad' nor will it ever be so, the fact we drive it underground makes it worse (see drugs how the efficaciousness of locking druggies up or actually aiming to solve the problem). Why not make sex like selling fruit or veg in a market? The customer goes there rather than to a sleazy back alley where he/she feels least likely to get caught.

    This is another big problem i have with it actually. The UK law on prostitution victimised the girls and guys involved so harshly! It makes their lives a lot more dangerous, difficult and often makes them feel as if they *shouldnt* be doing it if they want to.

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    Inara14 wrote:

    WandA wrote:

    Inara14 wrote:

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    No problems bringing up old posts, there is a lot of wisdom in old posts!

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    Sex does not have to be 'bad' nor will it ever be so, the fact we drive it underground makes it worse (see drugs how the efficaciousness of locking druggies up or actually aiming to solve the problem). Why not make sex like selling fruit or veg in a market? The customer goes there rather than to a sleazy back alley where he/she feels least likely to get caught.

    This is another big problem i have with it actually. The UK law on prostitution victimised the girls and guys involved so harshly! It makes their lives a lot more dangerous, difficult and often makes them feel as if they *shouldnt* be doing it if they want to.

    And I think the new laws may make it worse, those which now go after the buyer, it is after all the punter who holds most of the cards.

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    do you really believe that all porn is sleazy? If the general opinion of porn/sex shops etc. is they're sleazy its no wonder its still kept as something people don't talk about, by labelling porn as sleazy you're adding to that effect.

    With highstreet shops such as Ann whatsherface and Lovehoney as online retailers I think the younger generation are breaking free of the stigma's attached to sex by prior generations.

    Ok, I'll admit it, some porn is sleazy but there are films etc. produced that are very mainstream that don't fall under this category (i.e. most of digital playgrounds latest releases), in fact, they're going far too far in that direction IMO. We watched bodyheat the other night as a warmup and it took an age to see anything remoting pornographic.

    BTW - I think sex trafficking is in a completely different league to many other exploitave problems in soceity. It boils down to basic human rights being breached. Something that I feel as a developed nation should no longer be possible.

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    sxe_couple21 wrote:

    do you really believe that all porn is sleazy? If the general opinion of porn/sex shops etc. is they're sleazy its no wonder its still kept as something people don't talk about, by labelling porn as sleazy you're adding to that effect.

    With highstreet shops such as Ann whatsherface and Lovehoney as online retailers I think the younger generation are breaking free of the stigma's attached to sex by prior generations.

    Ok, I'll admit it, some porn is sleazy but there are films etc. produced that are very mainstream that don't fall under this category (i.e. most of digital playgrounds latest releases), in fact, they're going far too far in that direction IMO. We watched bodyheat the other night as a warmup and it took an age to see anything remoting pornographic.

    BTW - I think sex trafficking is in a completely different league to many other exploitave problems in soceity. It boils down to basic human rights being breached. Something that I feel as a developed nation should no longer be possible.

    Not all, no. I though the content I aimed that at would be clear from the rest of the post.

    The sex industry is not inherently sleazy, it need not be, but in it's current format it most often is in my opinion. The same applies to the drug black market and, once again, non-Fair Trade produce

    Prostitution does not need to take place in alleyways, with women held hostage etc... Porn does not need to involve 'stars' effectively prevented from wearing condoms, it doesn't need to depict certain scenes that many find degrading to the sheer quantity it does etc... These are my observations about how the industry is, not ought to be, and nothing dictates that it needs to be as it is.

    Like the fair trade argument, business does not have to be sleazy but I have no qualms about labelling any business that is sleazy as such. Banking is sleazy, this is an observational statements, it doesn't need to be and therefore I make no moral judgement on the ethical considerations of banking in theory based on it's practice.

    I see some sex trafficking as little different (in some respects) from the hypothetical 16hr a day tea leaf picker in India, we like to pretend humans rights are universal but they're not. Just as a women forced into the sex trade is required to pay her 'trafficking fees' a tea picker is forced to pay for his healthcare, loans to bank for a bad harvest, children's education etc... In theory the difference is that the tea picker is free, in practice neither are and both will likely end up dead if they fail to meet the demands of those with power. There is no use being free in only name.

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    Human rights breaches like the ones you cite don't occur in the UK, unfortunately sex trafficking does that would be one point of difference. The second being one effectively involves rape, widely regarded as one of the most horrendous crimes in existence.

    I think you're losing sight of the wider picture on nearly all points (except banking), if you focus on the negatives of anything then you're always going to come to the conclusion, that they're sleazy/unfair/negative/underhand (this even extends to the drug trade) for instance remove the trade be it fair/unfair and see where that leaves you?

    Consider that as set out above; many people willingly escort, in the majority of cases this does not take place in alleyways etc.

    Why is what porn shows in any shape or form sleazy anyhow? I'm sure there are practices in which you endulge to which others would take exception and apply a lavel(certainly there is in my case), its down to the individual to decide. You can't have a rule that states, mainstream loving sex is ok and fine but anything that involves CIF or similar isn't as your passing judgement on acceptability based on your own boundaries.

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    sxe_couple21 wrote:

    Human rights breaches like the ones you cite don't occur in the UK, unfortunately sex trafficking does that would be one point of difference. The second being one effectively involves rape, widely regarded as one of the most horrendous crimes in existence.

    I think you're losing sight of the wider picture on nearly all points (except banking), if you focus on the negatives of anything then you're always going to come to the conclusion, that they're sleazy/unfair/negative/underhand (this even extends to the drug trade) for instance remove the trade be it fair/unfair and see where that leaves you?

    Consider that as set out above; many people willingly escort, in the majority of cases this does not take place in alleyways etc.

    Why is what porn shows in any shape or form sleazy anyhow? I'm sure there are practices in which you endulge to which others would take exception and apply a lavel(certainly there is in my case), its down to the individual to decide. You can't have a rule that states, mainstream loving sex is ok and fine but anything that involves CIF or similar isn't as your passing judgement on acceptability based on your own boundaries.

    WandA is saying prostitution and porn production should be legalised and regulated. He's not against selling sex as a porn actor or prostitute at all. Just against it's *current* incarnation. I think you've misunderstood.

    Adx

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    Firstly porn production is legal and to an extent regulated. I didn't misunderstand at all, I disagreed with the arguments used to get there, clearly.

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