• Whats your pubic hairstyle?

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    headsouth wrote:

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    I think porn does have a big influence on many people... but the LH forum's aren't the greatest place to find people sensitive to 'porno pressure'!

    Being on these forums means many of us are quite independently minded! No doubt there are some people shaving to live up to some social standards but I do also agree many simply choose it out of personal preference.

    I think that the careful use of words helps a lot here, an influence isn't (necessarily) negative, but "porno pressure" would be. There's quite likely a large corellation between the things involved here, but I htink it's been assumed by some to be obviously negative, rather than liberating and such like.

    I did actually mean it in a negative sense in that example. People behaving a certain way due to some social pressure (in this case porn).

    I chose that to demonstrate the negative reason for shaving as opposed to the postive, personal preference, method which is liberating in itself.

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    Nexas wrote:

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    Why does it depress you exactly? You're a hairy fan...personally, I dislike that. Doesn't mean if you posted a thread about women going au naturale that I'd be depressed by it...

    The depressing part is the implications that go along with shaving, why women do it, the social pressures on women (conscious or not) - once you get into the thoughts of the pernicious effects of porn on the grooming industry there is little choice but to be depressed.

    Not that much depressing about some natural hair. Unless it's ingrowing of course.

    But that's saying that porn IS what gets women shaving like that. There have been several people merely in this thread who have said they did it for themselves. And to be honest, even if porn was the reason a woman FIRST did it or her partner asked her to do it due to seeing it in porn...how many women keep themselves cleanshaven/waxed just because they like it? I know several women who aren't in relationships and don't plan on having anything sexual happening anytime soon that still get rid of it all.

    If it's personal preference, why is it that porn has to have anything to do with it?

    The same goes for men shaving, many men on these forums shave their pubic region, why is this held to women only?

    Because it isn't that straightforward. I am not saying that people watch porn and think "gee - everyone shaves, guess I'd better too or no-one will want to go down on me" (though reading some responses here I think that might sadly be the case). It's more a case of porn getting more popular and the influence it has - things like the growth of the playboy bunny range of shit - aimed at tweenage girls, Nuts and Zoo magazine on eyeline in the newsagents in front of children, tacky girls clothing, Primark selling padded bras aimed at 7 year olds and the sexualisation of young girls. Porn affects all of this. People start talking more about being shaved, female friends discuss it, men get used to seeing it and over time, there is a trickle down effect and it is seen as normal and the opposite is seen as unattractive.

    So people might say "I do it for myself" but really, there are other factors at work - subconsciously we have been affected by the issues above and it does affect our decisions. You have to look deeper and think about why wre think it is attractive.

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    I think that porn has an effect. I certainly don't think it is all down to porn, but then I also think that there are wider issues contributing that are similar to porn - things that all contribute to the uber grooming of women (and it's catching up with men as well) and hideousness such as Heat magazines "circle of shame AARRRGGHH look at this hideous woman and her wonky toes we must all be perfect at all times don't you dare go out without your make up on or we will ridicule you for weeks".....

    I think that there is an evolution of how society views sex, we are certainly more liberal these days and more permissive. I don't view this as a bad thing but I think that the effects that the porn industry has on women and the way in which people (particularly the media) view women and how they should look/behave is not A Good Thing. Particularly when you take into account how this trickles down to young girls - t-shirts in ASDA with "Future WAG" on the front being a case in point.

    To be honest I don't really think that people shaving their pubes is a massive deal, but I think it has wider ramifications. I think that in a few decades the fashion will have changed and we will be doing something different, saying it's our choice and hoping that we're all as independently minded as we think we are.

    Right - now I need to go and look at some kittens or something.

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    I used to be attracted to hair, but as I got more passionate about oral sex I got more "fussy" about the amount of hair - both mine and my partners. This might have been an evolution, but it was not one influenced by porn.

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    telemachus wrote:

    So people might say "I do it for myself" but really, there are other factors at work - subconsciously we have been affected by the issues above and it does affect our decisions. You have to look deeper and think about why wre think it is attractive.

    As I mentioned, I can see bits that I find attractive. I did also mention the perhaps the biological/evolutionary reasons behind it. I'm sure plenty of others find it attractive for visual reasons without porn even entering the equation.

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    telemachus wrote:

    It's more a case of porn getting more popular and the influence it has - things like the growth of the playboy bunny range of shit - aimed at tweenage girls, Nuts and Zoo magazine on eyeline in the newsagents in front of children, tacky girls clothing, Primark selling padded bras aimed at 7 year olds and the sexualisation of young girls. Porn affects all of this. People start talking more about being shaved, female friends discuss it, men get used to seeing it and over time, there is a trickle down effect and it is seen as normal and the opposite is seen as unattractive.

    I must say - whilst this *is* an issue - and one I feel very passionately about...I can say from my own experience that this isn't always the case. I was a *very* naive child. I hated getting boobs - used to flatten my jumper down so I didn't look like I had boobs whilst my friends would pull theirs out to make them look bigger and was generally very young for my age.

    A great deal of what I learnt about sex was from WandA and he's certainly not influence by porn in his preferences - more likely the opposite since he hates "fashion" and similar things. I began shaving at...16, I hadn't even picked up a Cosmopolitan and didn't even really know that lads mags existed, I'd never watched porn. I was *very* sheltered and wasn't exposed to any expecations at that time that I first started shaving. Don't get me wrong, I was 16, I was sexually active and I was already very interested in people's sexual interests - I just heard about most of them via WandA.

    But I still decided to shave - not because I felt I ought to, not because I wanted WandA to like me more (I've never been a huge fan of oral anyway so that wasn't in my mind) just because I fancied giving it a go to see how it felt. I tried it, loved it, and have been hairless ever since.

    Since then, I've become more aware of these expectations and society views that *do* influence people but they weren't a factor at the time.

    I'm just saying, it may be the case for some women, but not all, there are people who genuinly like it and the only thing porn and the likes have done for those women is make it more acceptable! Remember, some people view it as childlike and if that were still the normal view then many women who love shaving wouldn't feel they could!

    Axx

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    WandA wrote:

    As I mentioned, I can see bits that I find attractive. I did also mention the perhaps the biological/evolutionary reasons behind it. I'm sure plenty of others find it attractive for visual reasons without porn even entering the equation.

    Exactly as WandA said. I don't find it attractive to see a load of hair covering up the good parts, I like the intimacy of seeing everything.

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    I don't believe porn has really influenced my views about sex or motivated me to shave or made me self conscious about my body or my bits. I think porn has (if anything) just showed me that we're all different and all beautiful! I shave just because it feels nice and because I always have not because I want to look like a porn star (not that the porn I watch has any one type of woman in anyway tbh!).

    I'm not so easily swayed that I feel any need at all to emulate anyone else, I happen to shave so do some porn stars...I might also wear eyeliner and lipstick, so do some porn stars...I don't think there's a causal relationship between a typical "porn look" and any way I might choose to look.

    Porn reflects the desieres and fantasies of a target audience. It's a consumer driven industry...whatever more people want more of they will make more of. I don't think porn works like say fashion where a bunch of people get together and decide what's "in" this season ("perl necklaces are soooo passe dahhhling...it's all about the facials don't you know!"). Maybe the reason that there are slightly more shaved pussys in porn is simply that slightly more folk prefer shaved ones.

    There's plenty of differenct porn for every consievable kink or preference though so to anyone who is annoyed about the typical porn look I'd just reccomend using better websites!

    xxKPxx

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    KittyPurry wrote:

    I don't believe porn has really influenced my views about sex or motivated me to shave or made me self conscious about my body or my bits. I think porn has (if anything) just showed me that we're all different and all beautiful! I shave just because it feels nice and because I always have not because I want to look like a porn star (not that the porn I watch has any one type of woman in anyway tbh!).

    I'm not so easily swayed that I feel any need at all to emulate anyone else, I happen to shave so do some porn stars...I might also wear eyeliner and lipstick, so do some porn stars...I don't think there's a causal relationship between a typical "porn look" and any way I might choose to look.

    Porn reflects the desieres and fantasies of a target audience. It's a consumer driven industry...whatever more people want more of they will make more of. I don't think porn works like say fashion where a bunch of people get together and decide what's "in" this season ("perl necklaces are soooo passe dahhhling...it's all about the facials don't you know!"). Maybe the reason that there are slightly more shaved pussys in porn is simply that slightly more folk prefer shaved ones.

    There's plenty of differenct porn for every consievable kink or preference though so to anyone who is annoyed about the typical porn look I'd just reccomend using better websites!

    xxKPxx

    BTW I meant that last bit as tongue in cheek! Reading it back I realise I sounded like a bit of a knob!

    xxKPxx

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    Nexas wrote:

    But that's saying that porn IS what gets women shaving like that. There have been several people merely in this thread who have said they did it for themselves. And to be honest, even if porn was the reason a woman FIRST did it or her partner asked her to do it due to seeing it in porn...how many women keep themselves cleanshaven/waxed just because they like it? I know several women who aren't in relationships and don't plan on having anything sexual happening anytime soon that still get rid of it all.

    If it's personal preference, why is it that porn has to have anything to do with it?

    The same goes for men shaving, many men on these forums shave their pubic region, why is this held to women only?

    I agree.

    Whilst I am sure there are many women out there who are pressured into removing their hair I reckon there are more that keep it that way because they like it.

    TMI alert:

    I had a full bush until about 4 months ago, I shaved it all off because I'd bought a particularly revealing harness (from a competitor so I won't link it) and the whole "burst sofa" look would have ruined the effect.

    Now I've taken the hair off I'm very reluctant to grow it back - think it feels so much nicer without. (like the difference between shaven legs & hairy legs - I just feel sexier when I'm smoother).

    ..and while we're on it, why are shaven pits & legs fine yet shaven pussies a sign of oppression.

    I made it to the age of 28 without deciding to shave it all off - I did it for my own reasons & I'm maintaining it for my own reasons. I've viewed porn for some years & I'm quite capable of distinguishing it from real life.

    I sort of resent the opinion that women are meek mild things without the strength of character to say "I'd like to keep my pubes the way they are, thanks"

    *rant over*

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    Lets burn our pubes to combat Western oppression!

    Errr... maybe not actually...

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    WandA wrote:

    Lets burn our pubes to combat Western oppression!

    Errr... maybe not actually...

    bras, pubes....you're a sexual pyromaniac!

    xxKPxx

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    KittyPurry wrote:

    WandA wrote:

    Lets burn our pubes to combat Western oppression!

    Errr... maybe not actually...

    bras, pubes....you're a sexual pyromaniac!

    xxKPxx

    I also once had friction burns...

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    headsouth wrote:

    I think that one argument against what you're saying initially here is that you could be said to be part of society, and as such wholly unable to ever make a genuine decision that genuinely does not take it into account in any way whatsoever. It's an arse of an argument, and I'm not using it personally at all, but there is some level at which everyon is a "victim" of their own culture, even irrespective to claims of things like naivity.

    My point was that all the societal things that *could* have pushed me in a particular direction weren't there yet and yet I still went in that direction. I do belong to a society but at that moment in time those views weren't something I was subjected to on a concious or subconcious level.

    In any case - using society to blame every decision ever made sounds very much like an excuse to me.

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    headsouth wrote:

    I'm totally with you, I can just always imagine someone always saying how you were exposed, you just couldn't tell etc...

    Is that like when you forget to do up your fly or a women tucks her skirt in her knickers?...

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    Nexas wrote:

    ...Shave them off BEFORE burning them ok?

    well you're no rock n roll fun....

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    telemachus wrote:

    Nexas wrote:

    ...Shave them off BEFORE burning them ok?

    well you're no rock n roll fun....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2NK3YDNd10

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    ha!

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    OK, I'm afraid I'm back with a few points.

    Someone asked why this thread depressed me. Forgetting the porn issue for the time being, I'd ask you shaving enthusiasts how you would feel if it sometimes seemed like EVERYONE ELSE had completely untrimmed pubic hair. Well, that's how I sometimes feel, except the other way round!

    2nd point: were all adults here, old and experienced enough to make up our own minds, whatever influences we may or may not consider. But as I've said in my previous posts, a major part of my distaste regarding the influence of porn is the very clear evidence that it is effecting YOUNG KIDS who are at a formative stage and are less able to think for themselves. I find it scary that new generations are growing up with their expectations regarding sex and the human body significantly influenced by porn. Who can feel comfortable about boys aged around 12-13 seeing hardcore sex and thinking "this is what I should be trying with girls, sooner or later".

    3rd point: I don't doubt that many posters here sincerely believe their decisions are made independently of outside influence and pressure to conform, but try imagining that you are the same person at the age you now are - BUT it's the 1970s. Forget whether shaving is good or bad; just imagine a society in which the vast majority of people have natural, untrimmed pubic hair. If you're in a situation where you (e.g.) see others in a sports changing room or shower, you'll really stand out if you're shaven and people are likely to be surprised and draw attention to it. 'Adult' magazines and films (some of which are major box office hits in cinemas) similarly feature hardly anyone with any degree of shaving. Swimwear doesn't yet include revealing high leg styles, so little or no trimming is needed for the beach, and their won't be a any salons offering 'Brazilians', etc. Nobody seems to consider the hair a problem with regard to sex, and most people actually seemed turned on by a glimpse of it (in fact people objected to the airbrushing of pubic hair that was common in most men's magazines for a while). The combination of these things would undoubtably have infuenced people's expectations and behaviour, so please ask yourself: are you SURE that you would have been the one person in your social circle to decide that your quality of life would be enhanced by permanently removing your pubic hair?

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    Nameless wrote:

    OK, I'm afraid I'm back with a few points.

    Someone asked why this thread depressed me. Forgetting the porn issue for the time being, I'd ask you shaving enthusiasts how you would feel if it sometimes seemed like EVERYONE ELSE had completely untrimmed pubic hair. Well, that's how I sometimes feel, except the other way round!

    2nd point: were all adults here, old and experienced enough to make up our own minds, whatever influences we may or may not consider. But as I've said in my previous posts, a major part of my distaste regarding the influence of porn is the very clear evidence that it is effecting YOUNG KIDS who are at a formative stage and are less able to think for themselves. I find it scary that new generations are growing up with their expectations regarding sex and the human body significantly influenced by porn. Who can feel comfortable about boys aged around 12-13 seeing hardcore sex and thinking "this is what I should be trying with girls, sooner or later".

    3rd point: I don't doubt that many posters here sincerely believe their decisions are made independently of outside influence and pressure to conform, but try imagining that you are the same person at the age you now are - BUT it's the 1970s. Forget whether shaving is good or bad; just imagine a society in which the vast majority of people have natural, untrimmed pubic hair. If you're in a situation where you (e.g.) see others in a sports changing room or shower, you'll really stand out if you're shaven and people are likely to be surprised and draw attention to it. 'Adult' magazines and films (some of which are major box office hits in cinemas) similarly feature hardly anyone with any degree of shaving. Swimwear doesn't yet include revealing high leg styles, so little or no trimming is needed for the beach, and their won't be a any salons offering 'Brazilians', etc. Nobody seems to consider the hair a problem with regard to sex, and most people actually seemed turned on by a glimpse of it (in fact people objected to the airbrushing of pubic hair that was common in most men's magazines for a while). The combination of these things would undoubtably have infuenced people's expectations and behaviour, so please ask yourself: are you SURE that you would have been the one person in your social circle to decide that your quality of life would be enhanced by permanently removing your pubic hair?

    I was the only person that did it in my entire school year at first. I did it at a young age(14) when everyone else was showing off how womanly they were...how big their boobs were, how much hair they had, when they started their periods etc. I never cared that I was the only one who removed the hair and the same is true now....if everyone decided that hairy was the new "in" thing I would still shave it all off!

    I don't make a habit of looking at naked women in the changing rooms or anything (I feel like I'm cheating somehow but that's a different story!) But what I have noticed is that I am still the only person I've seen with none at all...everyone else seems to have hair of all different types. I don't feel self concious though...so I'm different? So what!?

    I don't think shaving changes my quality of life at all, I don't think it's remotely important...it's only hair and I would just prefer not to have any. I don't give a monkeys if other people like theirs bald, short, long, curly, multicoloured! Why does it matter to me what anyone elses bits look like?

    xxKPxx

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