• Whats your pubic hairstyle?

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    Muz333 [sign in to see picture]
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    BullyBabe wrote:

    Same here, I used to think he was lying, so now Clean shaven all the time since my OH used to keep me awake at night, complaining and gagging on a pube stuck in his throat,. He would get one stuck everytime!

    He now gets a red face if I have allowed stubble to grow through though. I can't win!

    I feel it makes everything more intimate being fully bare as well as you can't hide anything from each other so to speak.

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    Headsouth - I have no wish to insult anyone and in my post I did acknowledge say that those shaving may have no wish to copy porn.

    I would acknowledge that other trends contributed to the fashion, particularly high leg swimwear that meant that most women buying such styles would be liable to reveal conspicuous amounts of pubic hair. But up to the early 1980s, natural pubic hair was broadly the norm in soft and hard porn (I know as I was a young guy then buying the occasional 'men's magazine') and plenty of the pictures I saw indicated that it was considered highly erotic to see (e.g.) a woman in a revealing pair of panties with abundant pubic hair visible beyond the edges. But the hardcore part of the industry is always looking for something new to excite consumers and shaving quickly became a very big thing, as it offered a more graphic view of penetration. As a former social science student, I'm interested in social trends and it's certainly not just my opinion that porn was fundamental in kick-starting the pubic shaving fashion. It's worth remembering that it's a vast industry that in financial terms dwarfs the entire mainstream film industry.

    As Telemachus indicated, porn is pervasive. A good indication was a series on Channel 4 last year in which a responsible organisation (can't recall the name of it, but they have a website that's a resource for young people) were seen going into schools specifically to try and counter the effect of porn. They actually tastefully showed kids (aged about 15 I think) real naked people with pubic hair and 'normal' shaped breasts unlike the ones usually seen in porn. This was to counter pressure and a sense of inadequacy encouraged by exposure to porn. I've also seen articles referring to a growing trend for some young teenage girls to have 'buddies' with them and to avoid being alone with boyfriends, because boys guided by porn, when they are alone, use words like bitch and whore, and express a desire for sex acts that they feel are shocking and degrading. It can't be healthy for young impressionable kids to regularly view hardcore sex - which I'd say is the worst consquence of the internet.

    It's perfectly understandable today if people feel that porn is irrelevant to why they shave, but if you think back to the 1990s, women would have been aware thgat growing numbers of others were doing it - and some men expected it - so women that would never have given it a thought before about the mid-80s were at least thinking that maybe they should shave. When more than about half are doing it, it takes on a momentum of it's own because people eventually feel they are drawing attention to themselves if they don't do it. And I bet that few of the men doing it felt it was necessary before 2000. It's revealing that if you check out the 'mature women' section on 'Newbie Nudes', even nearly all of the women aged 50+ are shaven (although I'm sure this wouldn't apply to more conservative ladies not appearing there), even though there's no way that the vast majority of these would have felt it necessary or desirable when they were in their 20s. And of course the manufacturers of shaving/hair removal products and beauty salons love to see countless millions of people spending considerable amounts of their spare time removing pubic hair, or paying others to do it, and will happily promote the view that shaving is the norm.

    I can't agree with the point that if you shave your legs, it's therefore natural to shave your pubic hair. The pubic area is of course private and not on public view after all. If hair there is considered unsightly, it may not be too many decades before people start feeling the same way about hair on the head!

    I'd also say that it's sad for us 'hairy' people to see that some would not even consider a date with us - although I have to admire the self-confidence of anyone uninhibited enough to say something like "By the way, are you clean shave down below" before agreeing to a first date!

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    I think that it's too easy to look at things like porn as putting pressure on people to behave or look like X, Y, or Z, whereas sometimes it can be that it gives you permission to do it. Like, before porn ever really made any impression on me, I found my own hair to just be messy and in the way: in any kind of hot weather, I'd break out in a rash thanks to the hair, and I couldn't help but think about all the gung that'd be caught up in it (sure, you can shower, but do you hop in a shower every time you go for a wee, and if not how is a little bit of paper going to make a jungle of pubes clean?). It grossed me out, and it made me uncomfortable, but I was resigned to the fact that there was nothing I could do about it. Then, when I saw how women in porn were waxed entirely or even mostly clean, I realised that maybe no one would think I was a total freak for tidying things up. I didn't go all-out overnight, really it was just trimmed back, but I was much happier in myself, felt cleaner, was more comfortable even in warm weather, and generally had one less thing to worry about in those drama-llama teenage years.

    When I first tried going all bare, it was because the guy I was seeing fancied it. I don't doubt that he was on some level influenced by porn, but all I cared was that he was aroused by the idea of me hairless, I liked pleasing him, and it made no odds to me whether I had a bit of fluff or not, so may as well try it. I enjoyed it, but it was too expensive for me to afford to get it waxed professionally on a regular basis, and I can't even wax my own legs (just plain hopeless), so the hassle of creams or shaving was too much for all the time. Still, I enjoyed the feeling, so I tend to waver between all-bare and just trimmed dependsing on how much effort I can be bothered with.

    But really, for me, it has always been a comfort thing, and I have no issue with someone I'm with having enough pubes to make a small coat out of (only thing I'm against is stubbley balls, nothing worse than blowjob beard rash!). And porn can be said to be responsable, although I'd never say 'to blame' because it has been purely positive for me.

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    I have to agree with BB here - as far as I'm concerned (personally) it has nothing to do with porn as I don't watch it and my partner doesn't really either. I agree that the views that have trickled down from porn have made it more socially acceptable to remove hair completely but other than that, it's had no influence on me at all.

    Sex and the City and girls magazines are as much to "blame" though...

    Ax

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    I don't think porn plays a part in my preference. I am I visual creature, I love watching my lady give head, I love watching her face as I fuck her and I love seeing her beautiful pussy.

    I think removing the hair is much more attractive because the bits I find highly erotic are more exposed and visible. As far as I'm aware one of the biggest reason for the pinkness of our lips is sexually motivated. If this is true why would I not prefer, to put it crudely, prefer to see more pink. Coupled with humans general loss of body hair in relation to other apes it appears a lack of body hair has been sexually selected.

    Never the less, I love staring at a beautiful vulva!

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    AdnaW wrote:

    I have to agree with BB here - as far as I'm concerned (personally) it has nothing to do with porn as I don't watch it and my partner doesn't really either. I agree that the views that have trickled down from porn have made it more socially acceptable to remove hair completely but other than that, it's had no influence on me at all.

    Sex and the City and girls magazines are as much to "blame" though...

    Ax

    Although I love women to have pubic hair, I'm not fundamentally disagreeing with you and BB, as I'm not saying that people such as yourselves shave as a direct result of being influenced by porn, although we all seem to agree that in the longer term, it has had some influence on attitudes and behaviour.

    What troubles me, though, is that young impressionable kids clearly are being influenced by porn, when it comes to their expectations regarding sex and the human body. If there are parents here with daughters aged around 14, even if they shave themselves, I'd be surprised if they would feel comfortable about their daughters experiencing peer pressure to shave, as a direct result of boys viewing porn. Converstations with kids in the Channel 4 series I mentioned made it very clear that this happens, hence the initiatives to go into schools and tell kids that porn doesn't faithfully reflect the real world.

    If anyone's interested, the series was 'The Sex Education Show Vs Pornography', website: http://sexperienceuk.channel4.com/sex-education

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    Muz333 wrote:

    headsouth wrote:

    I think I'd dismiss the majority of that out of hand. It isn't all going to be down to porn, that's just daft. Styles change - just like there is less pubic hair in porn these days, there's a lot less facial hair too - did the sex industry kill the beard after the Open University promoted it so well?

    There are plenty of cultural evils in the world that screw up young peoples minds, especially in sexual areas, but just "blaming" porn for a personal, private preference held by well balanced fully grown adults with families seems vastly over simplistic and a little insulting to those who like to keep things neat and tidy.

    I actually started shaving before watching porn as it just made sense to me. Less surface area means less space to harbour bacteria, some of which may lead to an STI (not that I'm saying shaving stops you getting STI's but it does reduce the chances marginally). Plus to me it's a much tidier look and makes sense, I mean you'd expect a girl to shave her legs and arm pits so why not her lady parts as well and why shouldn't a man return this favour?

    Not to mention that I don't think male porn stars shave, but I could be wrong as I'm more of a solo/girl on girl guy myself. The only meatstick I want to see poking about is mine.

    I'm pretty sure that would only be true of pubic lice (crabs)! Shaving makes little nicks in the skin that would if anything slightly increase the risk of other STIs but even then the difference would be so small. I couldn't find any evidence to support the idea that shaving in any way prevents against STIs!

    I like to be hairless because I always have been. I was a gymnast and we were expected to be hair-free so our leotards sat neatly...it's not a sexual thing for me at all really (and certainly has nowt to do with porn - I'd never even heard of porn at 13!) it's just what I'm used to and I think it feels nice and smooth.

    On other women I don't mind at all if they are shaven or natural or anything in between, I'm just happy to be seeing a beautiful pussy!

    xxKPxx

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    nice and smooth...so much more senstive

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    smirnoff09 wrote:

    nice and smooth...so much more senstive

    Sorry but I have to disagree, even if you personally find this applies. Each hair is connected to a nerve ending so it certainly can add to the sensitivity. If I'm highly aroused, it feels extremely erotic if my pubic hair is stroked, even if the fingers doing it make no contact with my skin.

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    Nameless wrote:

    smirnoff09 wrote:

    nice and smooth...so much more senstive

    Sorry but I have to disagree, even if you personally find this applies. Each hair is connected to a nerve ending so it certainly can add to the sensitivity. If I'm highly aroused, it feels extremely erotic if my pubic hair is stroked, even if the fingers doing it make no contact with my skin.

    I find more sensitivity occurs tbh...more nerve endings in your skin than at the hair root. It can add the the sensitivity I'm sure, but so can exposing more skin :)

    Ax

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    KittyPurry wrote:

    I'm pretty sure that would only be true of pubic lice (crabs)! Shaving makes little nicks in the skin that would if anything slightly increase the risk of other STIs but even then the difference would be so small. I couldn't find any evidence to support the idea that shaving in any way prevents against STIs!

    Public lice would be the main one to benefit but the reduced surface area means less bacteria can cling on there during sex and can (very very slightly) reduce the chances of catching the STI. I can't remember where I seen this but it does make sense. As for the little nicks I tend not to cut myself but it does open up the pores which could potentially allow bacteria in but I don't tend to have sex immediately after shaving. I also read somewhere that by shaving your pubic hair crabs would just head further south round the corner instead. :(

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    Muz333 wrote:

    KittyPurry wrote:

    I'm pretty sure that would only be true of pubic lice (crabs)! Shaving makes little nicks in the skin that would if anything slightly increase the risk of other STIs but even then the difference would be so small. I couldn't find any evidence to support the idea that shaving in any way prevents against STIs!

    Public lice would be the main one to benefit but the reduced surface area means less bacteria can cling on there during sex and can (very very slightly) reduce the chances of catching the STI.

    This reads as fiction to me to be honest. Pubic hair reduces friction during sex, if anything, that means less contact skin to skin.

    Of course infestations like lice and crabs are less likely the less hair that you have (although crabs are not an STI) but then I think if your main motivation for shaving is to reduce your crab attacks then maybe you should be rethinking your sexual adventures

    However STI's are transmitted via bodily fluids, not by skin to skin contact. The hair on your genitals would make no difference and "surface area" is not a factor as you cannot catch an STI by by simply touching skin to skin, whether it is hairy or not.

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    I would like to add to the sensitivity debate and say that when I am shaven I feel more sexual - simply more aware of my vulva and it makes me think about sex all the time. This is the main reason that I do shave, though I don't all the time. Sometimes I keep it trimmed and sometimes I let it grow out a little.

    Despite shaving/trimming I do feel that refusing to date someone who doesn't have a bare pussy is rather sad. How can you judge an entire person based on their pubic hair preferences?

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    Nexas wrote:

    I definitely disagree with your point. I don't completely shave very often at all, more trim it around my cock and shave my balls when I think it's needed.

    I've got to say that the parts that ARE completely shaven are SO much more sensitive. It feels amazing having clean-shaved balls stroked!

    As for women being shaven, I'm a very big giver of oral sex and much prefer going down on a girl who's clean shaven. I also think the feeling of a smooth pubic mound is fantastic!

    I am with Nexus 100%

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    I started shaving all areas in 1949 was in the army and was covered in lice, regimental doc recommended clean up with shaving and have carried on since, late wife also played her part by doing the same hence live was lovely and clean in that department and very stimulating so go for it folk.

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    I need a new waxist! Mine has moved away. I did the awful thing of shaving my bikini line for my hols and regret it. It always irritates my skin :-( I like to be all smooove but most beauty places charge £30ish to wax it all off. Can't wait to be a student again and have the discount! x

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    I agree 100% with the last point for telemachus, but otherwise I can see that I'm in a losing battle vastly outnumbered by shaving enthusiasts here! I'm not sure if this forum is completely representative of society as a whole, as I get the impression that shaving is particularly popular with people that are very 'upfront' and open about sex, which obviously members here are.

    Before retreating, I will just risk making one last point on this. Many have commented on their wish to be "clean and tidy" and some have made points relating to hygene, although I wouldn't agree with all of these. But to me, some of this sounds a little clinical, and I don't want sex to be extremely 'clean', I want it to create a sense of animals abandoning themselves to extremely primitive passons! If it's wild and there are fluids everywhere and even the occasional hair in my mouth, that's fine with me - I can always clean up afterwards! For me, pubic hair helps tap into that sense of animal instincts and I find that some women who don't shave/trim display an 'earthy' passion for raw sex!

    But as I've said before, I respect everyone's right to do as they wish, and I can see that won't convert anyone here!

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    Nameless wrote:

    Before retreating, I will just risk making one last point on this. Many have commented on their wish to be "clean and tidy" and some have made points relating to hygene, although I wouldn't agree with all of these. But to me, some of this sounds a little clinical, and I don't want sex to be extremely 'clean', I want it to create a sense of animals abandoning themselves to extremely primitive passons!

    For what it's worth I agree with you,. I would imagine that the need to feel clean - and to attain this by shaving all body hair - simply comes down to the expectations placed upon women regarding body image. I am in agreement with you that this comes from porn but I think a lot of people don't realise how subtle this is - how this trickles down through the various media until it is seen as normal. People will say "I don't do it because of porn - that's how I like it, I'm doing it for me", without considering why it is that they think it is the correct/sexy/clean way to be. That it's rather scary that maybe, you didn't make that decision for yourself, but you have been influenced to think that this is sexy.

    In 50 years we'll probably be back to a full bush again with everyone saying "I let it grow like that because I like it, nothing to do with porn"

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    Muz333 wrote:

    Public lice would be the main one to benefit but the reduced surface area means less bacteria can cling on there during sex and can (very very slightly) reduce the chances of catching the STI. I can't remember where I seen this but it does make sense. As for the little nicks I tend not to cut myself but it does open up the pores which could potentially allow bacteria in but I don't tend to have sex immediately after shaving. I also read somewhere that by shaving your pubic hair crabs would just head further south round the corner instead. :(

    I've not heard that migratory pattern mentioned by the big Dave Attenbourgh...

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    telemachus wrote:

    Muz333 wrote:

    KittyPurry wrote:

    I'm pretty sure that would only be true of pubic lice (crabs)! Shaving makes little nicks in the skin that would if anything slightly increase the risk of other STIs but even then the difference would be so small. I couldn't find any evidence to support the idea that shaving in any way prevents against STIs!

    Public lice would be the main one to benefit but the reduced surface area means less bacteria can cling on there during sex and can (very very slightly) reduce the chances of catching the STI.

    This reads as fiction to me to be honest. Pubic hair reduces friction during sex, if anything, that means less contact skin to skin.

    Of course infestations like lice and crabs are less likely the less hair that you have (although crabs are not an STI) but then I think if your main motivation for shaving is to reduce your crab attacks then maybe you should be rethinking your sexual adventures

    However STI's are transmitted via bodily fluids, not by skin to skin contact. The hair on your genitals would make no difference and "surface area" is not a factor as you cannot catch an STI by by simply touching skin to skin, whether it is hairy or not.

    Herpes and HPV can be transmitted skin-skin!

    I'm now more certain that pubic hair doesn't make any significant difference in STI transmission, I asked my microbiology lecturer and she said she hadn't heard of this and that it didn't sound likely!

    I'm so intreagued to read whatever article you got the info from Muz (if it's the daily mail I WILL slap you with a copy of it or with a fish...whichever I find more gross at the time ). I know you're a genetics student though so I'm assuming it's a decent source but I can't for the life of me find anything!

    xxKPxx

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