• Things that confuse me...

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    Why do hedges get all the hogs?

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    Why oh why Liverpool - nuff said

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    LittleKitty wrote:

    Why oh why Liverpool - nuff said

    In answer to your questions:

    Why - Roy

    Oh (for fucks sake)- Roy

    Why - Roy

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    WandA wrote:

    LittleKitty wrote:

    Why oh why Liverpool - nuff said

    In answer to your questions:

    Why - Roy

    Oh (for fucks sake)- Roy

    Why - Roy

    He has GOT to get sacked now - surely

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    LittleKitty wrote:

    WandA wrote:

    LittleKitty wrote:

    Why oh why Liverpool - nuff said

    In answer to your questions:

    Why - Roy

    Oh (for fucks sake)- Roy

    Why - Roy

    He has GOT to get sacked now - surely

    I've heard the owners are looking but not many great (or average) managers free at the moment. I think they'll only sack if we end up in the bottom 3/4 and have appointed a new CEO. The owners are shrewd and very aware they know nothing of football yet and one big mistake could see us royally fucked... He's not a shite manager, he has been successful before but he just isn't right for the club. I honestly expected him to have done the decent thing by now.

    Hopefully we get a quality stopgap manager until the summer.

    This says it all if you look at the stats:

    http://www.flashscore.com/detail/soccer.php?match=523057&gmt_offset=-3600&tab=1

    It's not a bad team (well certainly not below mid table) but when you don't play with wingers and expect the lone CF to score by just whacking it up to him while he is triple marked then you're going to fail. Our tactics are hoof ball. I remember being in the stand away at Utrect(sp?), I spent 45mins watching the lonely Martin Kelly wander back and forth on the left... All play was so central. Kelly spent 45mins with his hands in the hair shouting for the ball, Glen spent 45mins with his hands up tucking those stupid fucking bits of hair behind his ears. Dire.

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    Sorry for the off topic! Oops.

    Things that confuse.

    Fucking Roy of the Rovers!

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    Well, I for one will let you off this off topic conversation! Just this once mind you

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    LittleKitty wrote:

    Well, I for one will let you off this off topic conversation! Just this once mind you

    Definitely last post on it...

    I was wrong. He's defo gone. Knew we shudda sacked him at HT.

    Have you heard this interesting bit of trivia?

    Kenny has picked up more actual silverware in his career as manager and player than Roy has won away games in the Premier league. How fucking depressing. And cheeky of Roy to rule Kenny out so easily (various times).

    Defo final post!

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    stop moaning about Liverpool.... unless you guys get to sleep with the players this is off topic :P (Not that I mind - im just not a Liverpool fan ;) )

    I dont understnad what the attraction about submission is.... domming is in my blood but i cant come up with anything more than an intellectual understanding for subs. Any help out there?

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    Phantasma wrote:

    stop moaning about Liverpool.... unless you guys get to sleep with the players this is off topic :P (Not that I mind - im just not a Liverpool fan ;) )

    I dont understnad what the attraction about submission is.... domming is in my blood but i cant come up with anything more than an intellectual understanding for subs. Any help out there?

    We had stopped if you look at the time.

    I'm not really a sub but like the odd switch, for me I find it sp appealing at times because it's an indication of my partner's desire and the pleasure I can provide. Being 'made' to do something can be hot because you know it's exactly what your partner wants.

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    Phantasma wrote:

    stop moaning about Liverpool.... unless you guys get to sleep with the players this is off topic :P (Not that I mind - im just not a Liverpool fan ;) )

    I dont understnad what the attraction about submission is.... domming is in my blood but i cant come up with anything more than an intellectual understanding for subs. Any help out there?

    Trust and vulnerability are two big ones for me i think..... But I still dont think you'll get that. Id offer to show you what its like, but I dont think 1)youd appreciate it, b)I could ever dom anyone..... :P

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    Okay - now im curious and confused. What could someone get out of domming somone? I just cant see the benefits behind it...

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    I can understand both tbh.

    Submission. Letting go of control of your body. Sitting back and allowing sometime to drive your pleasure or your pain. There is a simplicity to following orders, because you don't have to think, you just have to experience.

    Domination. Knowning someone has given you the responsibility over their body. Knowing that what a person is feeling is what you choose to give them. Knowing that if you want to take it away you can. You have conrol, and they are willing to let you have it. You're the one giving the orders, and they are being followed.

    Both, to me, are massive examples of trust, like Inara said. Personally, i'm not sure which I like the idea off more. Domming seems to be about putting all your focus on the subs pleasure and needs, where as there is a certain lack of control I don't like about subbing. I guess i'm just awkward and want both. =P

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    I'm the most indecisive person I know so I find subbing really takes that indecisiveness away - you'd be amazed how exhausting and annoying indecisiveness is to have as a trait!

    I trust WandA implicitly and I know he'd only ever do what's best for me so I feel happy to sign over all control to him - I imagine that's as much a privalege as it is a burden for him and sometimes he gets very annoyed with my inability to make a decision but often he appreciates how big a deal it is to hand over than control. And in bed - he loves knowing he's in complete control of my pleasure and enjoyment - it's rewarding to successfully orchestrate a good sex session!

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    Pixieking wrote:

    I can understand both tbh.

    Submission. Letting go of control of your body. Sitting back and allowing sometime to drive your pleasure or your pain. There is a simplicity to following orders, because you don't have to think, you just have to experience.

    Domination. Knowning someone has given you the responsibility over their body. Knowing that what a person is feeling is what you choose to give them. Knowing that if you want to take it away you can. You have conrol, and they are willing to let you have it. You're the one giving the orders, and they are being followed.

    Both, to me, are massive examples of trust, like Inara said. Personally, i'm not sure which I like the idea off more. Domming seems to be about putting all your focus on the subs pleasure and needs, where as there is a certain lack of control I don't like about subbing. I guess i'm just awkward and want both. =P

    You've pretty much just summed up how i feel about the entire thing Pixieking - damn not being able to have our cake and eat it too!

    On a completely different note, anal gaping - what do people find attractive about it? I mean, i know your arse is going to stretch after anal sex, thats just common sense, but why do porn vids like to zoom in so much on it? That has always confused me....

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    Alicia D'amore wrote:

    I'm the most indecisive person I know so I find subbing really takes that indecisiveness away - you'd be amazed how exhausting and annoying indecisiveness is to have as a trait!

    I trust WandA implicitly and I know he'd only ever do what's best for me so I feel happy to sign over all control to him - I imagine that's as much a privalege as it is a burden for him and sometimes he gets very annoyed with my inability to make a decision but often he appreciates how big a deal it is to hand over than control. And in bed - he loves knowing he's in complete control of my pleasure and enjoyment - it's rewarding to successfully orchestrate a good sex session!

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    I never thought about that either. Im pretty well known by most people I know to be very indecisive. But as you said, being indecisive is actually really tiring! :P

    I dont agree with pixieking so much with the

    There is a simplicity to following orders

    Ive never found much simplicity to it! Its actually quite a hard thing to do a lot of the time, even for the most simple things.

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    Well part of the dun for the dom is to test the sub - make the orders difficult to obey, or at least testing.

    Thanks for the subbing info - i think i fall, ocassionally into the same ground as Pixieing. Theres no way in hell i could be a sub, for far more reasons than i care to name. On the other hand it would be nice if i didnt always feel i was driving the encounter... maybe a more relaxed reciprocal encounter or two would be needed.

    @WandA - fine youd stopped :P Well done - only took the better part of a page! :P

    Being indecisive is tiring? Now that confuses me.... i guess its the whole debate process going on without an actual end that wears you out?

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    Inara14 wrote:

    Phantasma wrote:

    stop moaning about Liverpool.... unless you guys get to sleep with the players this is off topic :P (Not that I mind - im just not a Liverpool fan ;) )

    I dont understnad what the attraction about submission is.... domming is in my blood but i cant come up with anything more than an intellectual understanding for subs. Any help out there?

    Trust and vulnerability are two big ones for me i think..... But I still dont think you'll get that. Id offer to show you what its like, but I dont think 1)youd appreciate it, b)I could ever dom anyone..... :P

    Vulnerability is always going to be out for me - too much of what i am is tied up in my self-control to make that easy. I can appreciate both reasons, but not at anything more than an intellectual level.

    Feel free to take the lead sometime though :P

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    Daydreamer_13 wrote:

    Pixieking wrote:

    Both, to me, are massive examples of trust, like Inara said. Personally, i'm not sure which I like the idea off more. Domming seems to be about putting all your focus on the subs pleasure and needs, where as there is a certain lack of control I don't like about subbing. I guess i'm just awkward and want both. =P

    You've pretty much just summed up how i feel about the entire thing Pixieking - damn not being able to have our cake and eat it too!

    Just play switch, can do both in turn! 's actually what I think I've landed on now, used to nearly always end up subbing, and enjoyed it, so that combined with how much I enjoy giving my partner what they want made me think that was my 'box', but the slightly cruel side that occassionally cropped up has been given a bit of an outing, and I like that too! Nuts to choosing, I want both.


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    Phantasma wrote:

    Being indecisive is tiring? Now that confuses me.... i guess its the whole debate process going on without an actual end that wears you out?

    Oh it's so tiring. When you're as big a control freak as me - it's imperative that I make the *right* decision, so I have to question which is right and why - of course there often is *no* right decision so it's all about making the *best* decision which takes careful concideration of the pros and cons...should I buy this? Why? Do I like it enough? Do I like it enough to spend that much money? Would I like it just as much/more/less when I get home? Would I wear it? Do I have things that go with it? Would I feel comfortable/confident/warm in it? Does that make it more or less good value for money? Is it going to fit? Do I need to try it on? Is it easy to return?

    And round in big circles. When you ask that many questions about every *single* decision you make then it's exhausting!

    If someone makes the decision *for* me and it's the "wrong" one, then I find it easier to just "deal" with it without blaming myself for making the wrong decision. I can let go that it *was* a wrong decision and just deal with it. If *I* made the wrong decision then I over analyse why and how I made that wrong decision and never properly deal with it so it's a worse situation.

    As for control - that's why subbing is so nice - because I'm such a control freak with the rest of the world/the rest of my life, it's incredible to just let go and trust someone enough to share that control.

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