• Circumicised or not?

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    WandA [sign in to see picture]
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    x X x wrote:

    WandA, I understand your point of view.. However I think it's unfair of you to claim my methods are wrong. I really think it's down to personal preference. What's important to you isn't/may not be important to others. Many have been circumcised by their own personal preference. The reasons for wanting to are also prevalent in some parents' minds.

    Yes, I understand a parent may take that choice away from their child but if it is accountable then I think no one has any right to say anything about it aside from the people involved- including (especially) the child. I think, if anything, this discussion has made me think twice about talking to any of my potential sons about the procedure (informing them) for the future whether it is done early on or a little later. Of course I'll be looking into when is suitable.

    I've seen on tv many many discussions on this topic- even by doctors themselves arguing for what is best. That's what it boils down to- how you think of it.

    For me the methods are not just wrong in a medical/practical or what ever sense but also an ethical and right breaching sense. It's the breach of someone's rights and consent that I find most distasteful. It is down to personal preference, I have no issue with that, my issue is that the child gets no expression of it's personal preference, for me that is unforgivable given it is a procedure that is not time sensitive.

    Of course I'm aware you feel differently but for me circumcision would breach my own conception of my rights as a parent. I think failing to inform them is also a rights violation. I personally don't see it very differently from some forms of female circumcision. There are women out there that do consent to having their genitals modified, when done to those that don't consent it is rightly considered horrific and a grave rights violation. The fact I don;t know these people does not mean I cannot comment on their welfare and wellbeing. For me the social acceptance doesn't change that moral fact (my moral fact).

    But of course, I'm a philosopher. I spend my time thinking of such ethical conundrums and what constitutes a right, a moral action etc... My world is not one of no circumcision, but one of circumcision as an option for informed unpressurised adults. We philosophically disagree on the importance of consent, rights and choice. For me the rights of the individual are supreme otherwise things are quite pointless.

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    Alicia D'amore wrote:

    (give me a circumcised male that hasn't at least once considered whethere it was worth it and what they're missing out on? Even if they love being cut!)

    Adxx

    Pick me, pick me!! Not wanting to take away from the seriousness of the discussion but from the point of view of a male who experienced life with a foreskin and who also very strongly doesn't believe in performing this on kids I have to tell you from my point of view that circumcised men are definitely not missing out on anything!

    But hey thats my oppinion.. some very strong views folks and I agree totally other than the missing out part!

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    If you remove a child's breast tissue, she will not get breast cancer. Remove a baby's appendix and they will never get appendicitis. Strip out every unecessary organ and piece of tissue in the body that has any chance of getting sick. Tonsils, teeth... where exactly do we stop?

    Surgery on a person without their consent is wrong when they are an adult. When they are a child, although parents have to make decisions when it is medically necessary, cosmetic procedures should never be carried out on someone who can't make consent.

    I have piercings, a tattoo and breast implants. I plan on modifying my body more in the future. But I chose those things - ear piercings at 11 because I'd wanted them for several years, and the rest at 18+ when I was old enough to be sure. It would be wrong if my parents had chosen these things for me, even if I liked them and they didn't do me any harm.

    Increasing numbers of women are choosing to have cosmetic surgery on their vulvas. That's fine, I support anyone's right to choose how they look. But we would all be horrified if parents were having their daughters 'modified' to look more like porn stars when they were born. That, to me, is exactly the same as people having their sons mutilated because "their wife will prefer it". Changing a child's body to suit the sexual preferences of others is not acceptable.

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    BBG wrote:

    The only thing the "more hygenic" comments prove is that some guys don't know how to wash! Ugh!

    I know how to wash! I certianly don't have a cheesy knob small beccause I make sure I was underneath my foreskin. Sorry for quoting an old post. Just had to say that.

    I like my uncircumcised penis. at least I can masturbate! I expect that a man who has a circumcised penis would have difficulty doing that...

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    Ginger Ninja Minge [sign in to see picture]
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    Krys, I read about a woman who bought some sort of voucher for breast implants for her 9ish year old daughter (not sure about the age) for when she's 16. The mother is the sort of person who tries to make herself look rathe like Barbie as if that's what the perfect woman looks like. The girl herself said she wants 'big boobies' like her mum.

    I find that highly disturbing.

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    It's interesting to contrast the official position regarding circumcision and female genital mutilation. Not only is it illegal for the latter to be performed in the UK it is also illegal for parents to take their children to another country to have it performed. Krys makes the point very well regarding non-essential procedures carried out on children - where indeed would we stop 'modifying' our kids using the argument of preventing unlikely or otherwise avoidable problems (e.g basic sanitation!)?

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    hornster wrote:

    Gi


    I like my uncircumcised penis. at least I can masturbate! I expect that a man who has a circumcised penis would have difficulty doing that...

    Well I'm circumcised and have no problems at all!

    H

    my oh is also circumcised and he has no problems either- how ridiculous for anyone to think that you can't wank an circumcised penis!

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    katmiaow wrote:

    hornster wrote:

    Gi


    I like my uncircumcised penis. at least I can masturbate! I expect that a man who has a circumcised penis would have difficulty doing that...

    Well I'm circumcised and have no problems at all!

    H

    my oh is also circumcised and he has no problems either- how ridiculous for anyone to think that you can't wank an circumcised penis!

    Nobody's misconceptions are ridiculous if they genuinely don't understand.

    Also a lot of circumsised men *do* have difficulty masturbating with the loss of the loose skin - a different technique is often required so again, not a ridiculous idea.

    Adx

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    Definitely circumcised It just looks sooo sexy, also feels nicer inside me or in my mouth. There must be quite a lot of men that don't wash properly cos I had lots of uncircumcised men that smelled a bit cheesy. I never had any problems with circumcised cocks in that respect. Maybe that's why I prefer them cos I associate foreskin with cheesy knob. Trying to find a circumcised bloke in the UK is proving quite difficult though, unless I date a Jew (which I've done before)

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    man of pleasure [sign in to see picture]
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    i am circumsised blackangelheart lol

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    Circumcised and the owner of a bullet vibrator - you're my man (of pleasure)!

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    Alicia D'amore wrote:

    katmiaow wrote:

    hornster wrote:

    Gi


    I like my uncircumcised penis. at least I can masturbate! I expect that a man who has a circumcised penis would have difficulty doing that...

    Well I'm circumcised and have no problems at all!

    H

    my oh is also circumcised and he has no problems either- how ridiculous for anyone to think that you can't wank an circumcised penis!

    Nobody's misconceptions are ridiculous if they genuinely don't understand.

    Also a lot of circumsised men *do* have difficulty masturbating with the loss of the loose skin - a different technique is often required so again, not a ridiculous idea.

    Adx

    Different technique and lube is a must from what I obeserved from my OH, but it is possible. And when we are not together, my partner masturbates usually daily or every other day. I know some men may suffer lost of sensitivity to the point that some stimulation is harder to achive, but I personally think most do masturbate. Espeially if they lost the foreskin as kids or teenagers and are used to it. It could be harder if it happened in adulthood

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    I am uncircumcised and love how sensitive my glands are. My OH havent got any complaints either.

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    Alicia D'amore [sign in to see picture]
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    Laveila - that's why I said "difficulty" and not that it was impossible :).

    It's an adjustment - I was just pointing out that it was a little unfair to call Gi's misunderstanding "ridiculous".

    Men circumsised during adulthood (the only form I find acceptable unless a child has a medical need to have their foreskin removed) do have to adjust to masturbation and it can be a little less intuitive than masturbation with a foreskin - but that's not to say it's not possible :)

    Adx

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    I am currently recovering from a circumcision this week, at the age of 36. My foreskin had become too tight, despite stretching exercises as instructed by my urologist. Annoyingly it was fine when I was not erect, such as in front of the urologist, but when I was hard I could barely get it past the tip. The thought of getting it trapped behind my glans was what convinced me to go ahead with the circumcision.

    The stiches are now starting to fall out, but no fun and games for another 2-3 weeks though. As for the sensation, at first it was unbearable, as every slight touch was like having foreplay. But after a week it has now adjusted such that it is a lot less sensitive, and I can't feel my touch any longer. I am hoping this will balance out in time, I will report back to the list with my findings.

    That's if I come at all that is, I can only come if my Mistress allows me, and thats usually only after I make her orgasm, so I shall have to behave for the next few weeks .

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    Hi ScotsmanInKent

    I also had the operation because of a tight foreskin. It was loose when limp but tight when erect. Rather embarrasingly I had an erection when it was being looked at so diagnosis was not a problem (I have many other problems!!)

    Please make sure you do not attempt any games until it is fully healed. I did and regretted it and had to go back in hospital. The nurse knew what I had done and she had pleasure telling me off.

    I have mixed feelings about the op now. I don't like the appearance of my penis anymore and it has scars which are painful if my ot is a bit rough with them (the scars are my fault for masturbating when it was not healed). I also find orgasms take longer to acheive and are not as intense as they used to be. i think there may be products that help with this but never tried any.

    But the pain of a tight forskin has gone. Mine would stretch to the point of bleeding and going to the toilet was painful as a result. So I still see it as agood thing despite everything else. If you are careful i am sure you will be happy with the results but it is important to leave it alone for now.

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    I prefer circumcised guys in porn, just because the penis looks a bit more naked that way which I find kinda hot, but I prefer intact guys in real life, because I'm not overly crazy about guys with bits missing and it's just more fun to play with when the skin is mobile.

    As others have said, the man is the most important part, so I wouldn't make a fuss either way.

    I strongly oppose parents having the right to meddle with their children's genitalia in any way though, I'm a firm believer in "his body, his choice", especially when the whole procedure is unnecessary and irreversible.

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    i'm circumcised and very happy wth it. great sensitivity and no cmoplaints from the girls (200 so far!)

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    I know this is an old thread, but what are you on about? I've counted the preferences on this thread and I'm certain most women don't prefer circumcised, especially when you consider some of these women who answered are from circumcising cultures. i've seen the other threads on this, most women don't prefer it, maybe you're just projecting your beliefs?

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    I've only been 'properly' with my husband (ie not including the petting and fumbling as a teenager) and he's uncircumcised. I'm not sure whether it would make a difference to be honest x

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