Ouija Boards

 So how would you actually set one of these up if you have the balls to fuck with the "spirit realm"?

Also if people have only heard bad experiences then no surprise, good experiences don't make for good stories.

I really dislike people who claim to be in contact with spirits.

How dare they claim to have an ability which I don't have.

How did they come by this extra ability? I don't believe them.

 I'm not sure if I believe in the power of Ouija boards or not. Never tried it. I agree with the mind over matter thing espesh with the pendulum thing that Turtle says.

But I do believe that there is definately something out there that is beyond our ability to comprehend, some call it paranormal, or spirits or ghosts but that is just the name we give to the things we do not understand, giving a somewhat simple answer that we can all understand (though not neccisarily believe). 

The fact is there are loads of experiences that people cannot understand, myself included, I have had what people call ghosts, and rather bizarre. But whether people decide to accept the simple explanation (ghosts etc), or believe that it is something else, or just refuse to believe it happened at all to avoid the mind from confronting something it can't understand is something else and what we do with that is also important.

I don't know what or how the things happened to me happened. It freaked me ot for a short while, but I quickly decided that I'd probably never understand it and if there is some unseen energy in our world that has the power to interfere with the matter in this world then so be it. If that is so then it has been around a lot longer than us and there are hardly ever any stories of it directly harming people. So I dunno, but I doubt it is somethi g to fear.

 I gotta admit, i've been tempted... But at the back of my mind I think, hmmm just incase.. :P 

But most of the paranormal stuff I just crack up laughing about, for example me and the OH watching all the paranormal activites (I was forced).. Shes screaming and trying to hide in my arms and I'm sitting there predicting whats happening next and then laughing about it :P 

I prefer the 'mind-fuck' type horrors :) Even though they ain't scary :L 

^.^ H2H ^.^

 There is a difference between the bog standard ghostie western films and when it actually happens to you. (and btw, the japanese are good at a paranormal horror film)

When I first moved in this flat 18months ago, I was convinced that there was a ghostie of some sort (for lack of finding a better and more accurate description since there is such lack of understanding). This, thing, energy, spirit, whatever you want to call it actually cut my hair! (Perhaps one or two of you may recall me talking about this when it was happening.)

There was honestly no applicable explanation for the things that happened, and I *know* it wasn't my partner playing tricks on me. When I was in the shower and washing my hair, I kept pulling bits of hair out from the back of my head. This hair was perfectly cut, like being snipped with a pair of sharp scissors and all the same length of about 2inches. It wasn't just the odd strand, it was like small clumps like it had just been cut there and then. I don't go to hair dressers and my hair hadn't been trimmed in a long while. It was just as if someone had taken some scissors and cut my hair while I was standing in the shower! And it wasn't just once either, it happened a few times, and not always in the shower. It wasn't my imagination as I showed the hair in my hand to my partner and he agreed it was strange. It wasn't like I'd caught it on anything, and even if I did it wouldn't have been such a clean cut. Luckily my hair is really thick, so the bit's that were chopped off weren't noticable, but I could feel the shorter bits at the back! This worried me because I figured that if whatever it was that had the power to cut my hair with something apparently sharp, then it could easily cut or harm me if it wished. But I was never harmed. Thankfully.

The Other odd thing that happened was that for most mornings for a couple of weeks, I kept waking up at around the same time in the early morning and be covered in some sort of sticky substance that covered me around my torso, front and back, in tiny little droplets. The strange thing was that it never was anywhere else, Just on my T-shirt, front and back, that I wore to bed. It was as if someone had sneezed all over me! The substance was clear and snot-like but it would be impossible for either of us to sneeze over both my front and back while I'm under the covers and not have a speck of it on the duvet or anywhere else! Bizzarre. And the fact it kept happening was alarming. Even though I could wipe it off, it never came off on to the duvet or bed sheet, even though  I was moving around inthem. Also it was never over my partner, even if he cuddled me at night. Exoplasm anyone?

The last thing was the voices. I'm at no risk or liklihood of hallucination at this time, but when falling asleep I would feel very clearly a breath or presence at the back of my neck, and sometimes a voice that is right in my ear and startles me awake. Very weird!

Ha ha Exoplasm nice

 Oh, and I'll add that it wasn't what some of you might be thinking!! A male friend of my partner was laughing his head off and patting him on the back when we tried telling him about it! Some folks have such dirty minds! ;-p

But no, it wasn't the bloke feeling a bit horny while I was asleep. Heh!

 I totally believe you AA - my father and sister have both experienced similar things as yourself. My sister lived in a rented house with a friend and they had very strange things going on. It came down to being a wooden african ornament that was in the lounge that had been brought back by the landlord from africa. How do we know this? Because when they removed that ornament  and placed it outside in the shed at the end of the garden, instead of getting weird things happening inside the house, that very same night they heard knocking at the window but nothing happened inside the house. The window knocking continued for a few days then went away and nothing else happened after that.

I recall my father whilst at home, had also felt a presence on one or two occasions, like a breathing, dark figure coming towards his bed when he was wide awake and sober i hasten to add, and it really panicked him. 

 I have to point out for arguement's sake... all of this could be tottally normal... or even dare I be that guy? People either making things up or simply assuming things etc.

I think it comes down to whether or not you choose to belive it, if I felt something breathe down my neck when I was in bed and I thought it was some random I would try and punch the fucker if I found nothing there I would go on with my life and assume I was just crazy other's would put it down to different things.

Ultimately no one has any proof bar there own words... which on a purely outside non bias point isn't exactly much, and those who say it is bollocks etc also have no real proof. Really it comes down to the person.

I know people who have experienced the 'supernatural' - my parents were sat in the living room one night and our speakers (we have one in each corner, on shelves) flew into the middle of the room, all four of them. They screamed the house down. My mum has also had bad experiences with night terrors, apparations and things that aren't there. I would never mess with a ouija board.

I do find the paranormal activity films a laugh though, and can laugh off films about ghosts, but I really feel you shouldn't mess with the devil by using ouija boards. If it is the devil, that is. I don't know what to think about 'it' but have no idea what 'it' is either lol. Overall I have a pretty mixed view of the supernatural/ghosts/spirits etc.

 You could point that out Ork. Or perhaps some people are just unwilling to accept there is something else out there. 

I know my family are sane, and wouldnt make anything up. I have heard lots of accounts from friends, family others and why make something up or assume its not real or that you are going a bit mental? 

I had a friend of my daughters tell me that her fella and his band mates were painting a wall in their new house, to find the next morning the wall had been painted black and words written something like `this is (name i.e jacks) wall, leave alone' It really spooked them and when they tried to paint it over again, same thing happened. Now, you cannot say 5/6 people are totally insane. They even heard and saw things going on and things flying around the room.They had to move house in the end.

There is proof in honest words Ork and things that you see and hear and from people you trust.

 I trust no one though... so really personally me being me I would find some sort of paranoid conclusion to any incident I found my self in. 

As for other people that's also a different matter I mean I don't trust my self half the time nor my sanity for that matter, really the problem is when you think about it it comes down to how much you believe and how much trust you have in your self and other's I suppose.

I mean I seen some pretty weird things as a kid but then and now I put them down to my incredible and insanely over active imagination. At the same time these things by others may have been considered some sort of encounter or whatever you want to call it, or maybe even hallucanations. 

So we are clear I do believe if you will I just don't trust people as there's so many stories and some of them are clearly possible others who knows.

 In personally would never touch a ouija board!

 Well that went well then  Thought that topic would stir a few responses.... Although I dont think I would actually consider getting involved in spirits, theres definately something there but not sure what.. Just keep looking over your shoulder when your next making love to the wife to ensure nobody is watching 

 Think its something you should only do if you unerstand truly what your dealing with

 Definately

 Ork. I would have put the breath/voices right next to me being down to being very tired, or strong meds or other explainable things if it wasn't while the other things were going on. Don't get me wrong, it still could be down to tiredness or meds or something else that caused the hallucination (and you don't need to be mad to experience hallucinations) but it was just so very clear and alarming, like it was the voice or presence in itself jolting me bolt upright in the bed in a split second, not the fear or confusion of it.

But then, thats why I put that experience at the end of the post. Hair cutting and sticky substances were matter and not something just in my head that only I could see, hear, feel etc. I showed my partner the stains left on my t-shirt the next day before putting it in the wash. I showed him the hair that was cut. It wasn't something that only came from my words, there was material evidence. 

Of course, I can't say that there is no explanation for it, but there isn't an explanation I can find for these things that happened to me! Yes, I suppose I could have gotton the substance tested and found out what it was, but it dried quickly, and I wouldn't know how or where to go to get such a thing tested without being laughed at or asked for a sum of money up front.

Some friends of mine who are ( whats the word/phrase ) not full of bollox ?? A very respectable family once told me about their experiences in there old house. They were adament that there was a poltergeist of some sort in the property with lights being turned on and off, photos being turned upside down, tv volume going up and down to even glasses being thrown across the living room. They were convinced this was a poltergeist but never physically saw the spirit itself. I believe them 100% because I've known them years and would never doubt them.

You may read what you want in to this one, but at the time I strongly beleived that there was a 'ghost' of a dog lurking in the old house when I lived with my mother and step-dad. That house was over 100 years old, and that never concerned me at all, but some parts of the house were even older because it was technically a flat - but a rather odd shaped one. (a house on top of a small office and a place that is 'almost' acceptable as a house that used to be an old dental practice. yet our house had a celler and an attic... Anyway.)

I'll admit that one or two odd things did go on in there. But my trick was to simply ignore it or shout at it and the odd things would stop. Our next door neighbours used to have an old labraudor called Sophie. She was really old, but she kept coming in to our house and garden when she was let out in her garden for a 'potter'.

After she died, a friend of mine began to say she kept seeing glimpses of the black lab in my house. And sometimes when I was getting ready to take the dogs for a walk, the two spaniels would be going daft, knowing they are going for a walk, but I could swear I could hear a third dog nearby making silly noises and pounding their feet.

One of the Spaniels was an utter little sod, as he was still mostly a pup and out of control. He would chew things and run off with things and one of his favourite games was to run in to my bedroom and refuse to get out of there and would put up a fight with me when I tried to get him out.

One time when he ran in to my room, he did the usual game. He stood in the middle of the room and I was trying to drag him towards the door and suddenly he let out a yap, so I let go thinking I had hurt him (but it's impossible to break thast friggin' dog!) and he just stood there staring at the door, then he lept on the to box infront of the window onthe opposite side to the door and stood there watching intensly at the door. Suddenly, he began growling really seriously! and his fur was all sticking up on the back of his neck! He has never done that before! He was even shaking! When ever he played up or was in trouble, he would growl and snap at you, but it was never serious. He was bloody strong, and he could sometimes be a bit scary when he went to bite you, but it was only ever a game to him, and never serious, like fur up on his shoulders.

He was drooling from his mouth because he was growling so intensly and the fur was stuck up on end! His legs were trembling away! His eyes never tore away from the door. I looked all over the door and looked all around it and there was nothing there. I stepped out the room and he still never moved and growling away! So it clearly wasn't me he was growling at. This went on for a couple of minutes and I began to get quite frightened because I thought he was going to attack me if I tried to calm him down. But he finally seized and I gave him loads of fuss, he was still shaking and not quite 'himself' at all! I told him to get out my roomed and he left just with that command, but rather cautiously - he had never done that.. ever! He must have really had fear through him. After that he was glued to my side for the rest of the day.

The only thing I can think of that would cause him to do that would be old Sophie being on "his territory". (Sophie died before we got the Spaniel pup.)

But it was very strange. And a bit scary!

Wowsers, what do they say about a dogs senses... They bloddy know alright