Found a typo

Pixieking wrote:

Hey Lovehoney.

I sent an E-mail about this a while ago but I never heard back. After learning a bit about flame testing and being unsure of the Amorous Beginner's Curved Comfort Butt Plug that I got for review I decided to test it out. The toy is marked as being made of silicone, but since it melted, caught fire and continued to burn from just a normal lighter it can't be made from only silicone. I don't know if the company is lying about this but it reacts exactly as TPR would when burned.

Hopefully this will get sorted somehow, because I always thought that Lovehoney's "silicone" marker for material meant that it was medical or food grade and not a blend, especially since it's labeled as "100% silicone"

http://www.lovehoney.co.uk/product.cfm?p=21704

Are you saying you set it a light? pmsl

Yep, I did indeed. =)  The point is that pure silicone cannot be set alight. When it's subjected to a high enough temperature it burns to a white, ash like substance, but it should never be able to sustain it's own flame like a candle would.

It can also take very high temperatures, which is why it can be safely boiled.

The amorous plug burned with it's own sustained flame, and it also melted (which silicone will never do) and became sticky. The inside is also an opaque white colour completely different from the pink coating.

Sustained flame, melting, stickiness and low temperature burning all points to it being a blend.

Since a lot of silicone blends have all the flaws of rubber and none of the pro's of pure silicone when it comes to being easy to steralize or being porous, I wouldn't trust it.

Pixieking wrote:

Yep, I did indeed. =)  The point is that pure silicone cannot be set alight. When it's subjected to a high enough temperature it burns to a white, ash like substance, but it should never be able to sustain it's own flame like a candle would.

It can also take very high temperatures, which is why it can be safely boiled.

The amourous plug burned with it's own sustained flame, and it also melted (which silicone will never do) and became sticky. The inside is also an opaque white colour completely different from the pink coating.

Sustained flame, melting, stickiness and low temperature burning all points to it being a blend.

And you thought it was a blend after deciding to burn it? Or you burned it to prove a theory? Lol so this was all for scientific research. 

=D

Yeah. I suspected it was a blend because it didn't feel quite right. I was more ignorant about toys when I got it for review than I am now and it wasn't untill I'd collected a few pure silicone toys that I noticed something was up. It just didn't feel right, and the test confirmed it for me.

The low price was a bit suspect too.

Just bumping. I'd like to get an answer from LH about this.

Maybe email customer services with a link to the thread? Don't think they check these mega often?

Pixieking wrote:

Just bumping. I'd like to get an answer from LH about this.

Hi Pixieking,

Just thought I would reply to let you know we're on the case. It's worth dropping Customer Care an email about it, but I'll make sure to look into this further tomorrow morning.

Gem x

 Haha Lvoehoney is awake at this time of night!?! They are clearly taking the accusation of arson very seriously :L

 hahaha thats so funny XD

record it next time :P

Ork wrote:

 Haha Lvoehoney is awake at this time of night!?! They are clearly taking the accusation of arson very seriously :L

hahahahahha

Ork wrote:

 Haha Lvoehoney is awake at this time of night!?! They are clearly taking the accusation of arson very seriously :L

Ha, you caught me! Just thought I'd pop in and check how everything was.

Pixieking wrote:

Hey Lovehoney.

I sent an E-mail about this a while ago but I never heard back. After learning a bit about flame testing and being unsure of the Amorous Beginner's Curved Comfort Butt Plug that I got for review I decided to test it out. The toy is marked as being made of silicone, but since it melted, caught fire and continued to burn from just a normal lighter it can't be made from only silicone. I don't know if the company is lying about this but it reacts exactly as TPR would when burned.

Hopefully this will get sorted somehow, because I always thought that Lovehoney's "silicone" marker for material meant that it was medical or food grade and not a blend, especially since it's labeled as "100% silicone"

http://www.lovehoney.co.uk/product.cfm?p=21704

We've done a bit of research and discovered that silicone is only heat resistant between 250 and 300 degrees celsius, which would explain why a lighter (which produces a temp of around 1977 degrees celsius) would set the material alight.

It's also worth mentioning that silicone is not naturally flame retardant. Flame retardant properties are added to the surface after curing, but this is not a process used in the manufacturing of medical-grade silicone, (which is used for sex toys). 

There is a fundamental difference between heat resistance, flame retardent and flame resistance  properties.

Since silicones contain organic compounds I would be very surprised if they could be made not to burn when exposed to a naked flame.

Hmm. I find this all incredibly confusing now, because i've read a lot of sources, including info from Tantus' spokespeople, that medical grade silicone, while it can burn to an ash, should not be able to burn under it's own power (as in, if it's pure silicone, It should not be able to keep itself lit.)

Frankly, if all it did was burn I wouldn't have thought about it as much, but the fact that it melted is what got me. It burned a huge chunk out of the toy and the burn contact sites were covered in sticky, black rubber.

For an example of what I mean, and the article that lead to me try this out, what happened to the TPR products is exactly what happened to the plug. http://dangerouslilly.com/2012/04/sex-toy-journalism-seeking-truths-silicone-flame-testing-confronting-manufacturers/

I just took the same lighter to my tantus Acute, Lelo Ella and the lip of my cobra libre and none of them burned by themselves.

I should clarify that i'm now sceptical of the claimes of flame testing and of silicone itself. I understand that silicone can be degraded by fire, but the reaction of that specific toy seemed very extreme.

The lelo has the slight staining expected, as does the cobra, and the tantus toy only had a slight roughening of the very, very thin edge of the base. The cobra and the acute were exposed to the flame for the same time as I exposed the plug, if not longer, and yet had a markedly different reaction.

SAFETY -

I the short description of this - http://www.lovehoney.co.uk/product.cfm?p=21803 restraint kit (Lh Tease Me) they are suggested as being suitable (among other things) for use around the neck!

The full description does state that they are not suitable for necks, right at the end, but such a dangerous suggestion really shouldn't be anywhere on the description of a noose-like restraint.

Mr Monster wrote:

SAFETY -

I the short description of this - http://www.lovehoney.co.uk/product.cfm?p=21803 restraint kit (Lh Tease Me) they are suggested as being suitable (among other things) for use around the neck!

The full description does state that they are not suitable for necks, right at the end, but such a dangerous suggestion really shouldn't be anywhere on the description of a noose-like restraint.

 youch that is a pretty bad error for Lh to make especially with a product which seems to be aimed at novices

xGGx

Mr Monster wrote:

SAFETY -

I the short description of this - http://www.lovehoney.co.uk/product.cfm?p=21803 restraint kit (Lh Tease Me) they are suggested as being suitable (among other things) for use around the neck!

The full description does state that they are not suitable for necks, right at the end, but such a dangerous suggestion really shouldn't be anywhere on the description of a noose-like restraint.

 Gosh - not sure how that got in there but i've changed it now. Definitely an error, thanks for pointing it out.

On the Special Offers page,  if you click on the offer with the Tracey Cox vibe and go to the list of products, the caption says "Get a free http://www.lovehoney.co.uk/product.cfm?p=14042 when you buy two selected Tracey Cox products". You've missed a "L" in the word silver.

Not sure if this post should be here haha, it is literally a typo though :-)

just read the product discription and it says Might" instead of "mighty" 

http://www.lovehoney.co.uk/product.cfm?p=25883